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Apparently, there is a new generation of games coming out SOON. From what I understand, the plan is for late 2010... which is remarkable considering HeartGold and SoulSilver came out just in September... but Diamond and Pearl, which marked the beginning of Generation 4, came out in 2006... so there's be a 4 year gap, like usual.

They've released a silhouette of the first of the new pokemon, which will be featured prominently in the next movie in Japan, and it will be officially revealed in a week or two...

this is kinda blowing my mind a bit, considering this is the first generation to ever be introduced on the same system as the previous, which means that there should be able to be trading between games... but probably something similar to what existed in 2nd gen, where you could only trade old pokemon that exist in both generations...

here's a link to what Serebii has so far, which is little to nothing yet. http://www.serebii.net/generation5/

it seems really soon for us, because we still don't have HGSS, but Japan has had them for about 5 months now, and there will be at least a full year's time between releases... and I honestly think it will be pushed back to an early 2011 release in Japan, so like September-November release here.

thoughts? concerns?

I'd absolutely LOVE a Pokemon MMO... though the only way to really do it would to make it not connectible with the current games, otherwise there'd be people whoring out their legendaries and ultra powerful pokemon and stuff...

I'll be getting the new games, naturally... but I don't know how I feel about another generation so soon... regardless of how I feel about certain aspects of the franchise, I still am a huge fan at heart, and truly enjoy the games, so I'll be getting them. ^_^

There are a few things I don't agree with about a new generation... I mean, I can't judge the appearance or names of Pokemon that haven't been revealed yet, so there's nothing I can say about that. The two revealed aren't that bad and are pretty Pokemon-ish. The rest... I don't have high hopes for, but they could surprise me.

Anyway, the biggest thing that bothers me is the fact that they're selling the same game over and over and over. They've been doing it for well over a decade now. Sure, they have better graphics, and some good new features. But you're buying the same game. It's the same scenario over and over, same setting, they just upgrade the graphics and add a new batch of Pokemon and suddenly it's a bestseller.
I will agree that each new game's gameplay is better and more fun than the last, but if they wanted to make a real sequel, they could at least put out a little originality with the storyline. Add in more events that actually put an interesting plot together that goes along on top of the journey to catch 'em all. But I'm sure every Pokemon game from now on is still going to be "Ten year old boy/girl leaves home from their single mother in their tiny town to go out on a journey to catch all Pokemon, given to them by family friend Professor NameOfAKindOfTree."

And the biggest part of third and fourth gen I don't like is just the majority of the Pokemon. I like the idea of going out and catching 'em all, but I honestly can't connect with a lot of these newer monsters.
What I thought was neat about Pokemon was that it was more like an... alternate wildlife to a fantasy world. The Pokemon were colorful and fantastical, but believable, species in this fantasy world's diverse wildlife.
There are some third and fourth that I like, and I think they still fit the basic main idea of what Pokemon was, but... for the most part, as they get more crazy, complex, armor-covered, spiky, and robotic... I really get the feeling that they're just trying to make crazy robo-monsters that don't fit in with the original "fantasy wildlife" idea of what Pokemon used to be. There are some third and fourths here and there that I like, and there are even a few first and second generation Pokemon that I really don't like. In part, because they're not really realistic with what Pokemon is supposed to be (example... Jynx... Really?).

And of course... Arceus is the god of the Pokemon universe. I mean, it created the world and all Pokemon (except Mewtwo, of course)... How do you go farther than that? Wouldn't Arceus be the end of the line for Pokemon?

Just as a side note, I flat out refuse to consider a goat with a worm belly the god of all Pokemon.

Fuck team Arceus, I'm team Mewtwo.

I always just assumed Mew was the closest thing to a "god" of the Pokemon universe.

I mean, it contains DNA of all Pokemon, sounds pretty god-ish to me.

For the next generation of pokemon, sicne they already have the god and what not, I see them going into the past.

Like the start of hte pokemon world maybe. With like Legendary Ghost types and stuff. More ancients and ruins. The legendary themes could be of the origin

They really need to stop this...Now T_T

I mean, of course, generation one was awesome. Generation two was arguably so, but I still very thoroughly enjoyed it; Most of the contributions held the variety and sensibility of pokemon from the old days.

Now, however, we are left with this:









Please... Just let the series I cherished as a child die peacefully and with the little bit of dignity it has left. Or at least branch out from the turn based RPG formula a little. I wouldn't mind another genre of a game using the original 155. Or even up to generation 2. But after that it just gets stupid.

Cypher, on 20 February 2010 - 12:35 AM, said:

Pff, Bidoof is the coolest- what are you talking about?

It gets no worse than this:

rhinocef4, on 20 February 2010 - 12:03 AM, said:

That does sound interesting enough, but I think it's still going to be set in "present day".

An ancient Pokemon world would be very interesting. Perhaps the next generation game would feature the main character being among the first to discover an all-new region with ancient Pokemon all over the place. They could have ancestors to modern-day Pokemon, and perhaps give a bit more light on the Legendaries, Unowns, and other mysterious Pokemon.

Edit:
And as ridiculously awful as it is, Bidoof is closer to what counts as a "normal" Pokemon than plenty of other fourth-gens. XD

... Plus, Bidoof has become, at least in my eyes, so fucking stupid that it's amazing.

I really cant sit here and listen to you guys talking smack about the newer generations. They have become more robotic or crazy looking, but when i started to play it, I soon became very attached to the new pokemon. Just because there different doesn't mean there worse. Theres only so many animals or real-life things to base them on man. That doesn't mean they have to stop their huge franchise. I mean at first i thought Generation 4 was stupid and the pokemon were to random and stuff to follow, but after i played the game I know them just as good as the previous. They are indeed very cool and maybe if you guys gave them a chance, you could agree. I mean sure there are some ridiculous pokemon such as probobass, but even the first generation had some weird ones.

Most of my favorite pokemon now come from later generations.

And Strax, I mean in like present day time. Like a new island has been discovered. Earlier forms of pokemon can be there, or just pre evolution. Ghost pokemon would be more popular along with rock/ground. Lots of fossils and stuff. There could be a Team trying to uncover the origin of say pokemon evolution or something like that.

rhinocef4, on 20 February 2010 - 12:18 PM, said:

Did somebody call the Wambulance?!?!

Yeah, Rhino, there are stupid Pokemon in every generation. But when the stupid ones way outnumber the decent ones? That's when you should probably stop. Things like what Cypher posted? Those don't even LOOK like Pokemon (well, Bidoof does I suppose, but it's just stupid... which I suppose is the point for Bidoof). It's just OBVIOUS that they've basically run out of ideas and are trying to make more simply for the sake of making more, and therefore it's lost its charm.

And there ARE some decent ones in newer generations.
Shinx is totally fine.

And it's evolutions, while not my favorite designs, aren't bad at all.

But it's just not enough to make it feel like it's still Pokemon. They've got all these crazy designs now, and it really doesn't feel true to what Pokemon is. They're only continuing because they're a money-whore franchise, and that's really all it comes down to. They know there are people out there like yourself who will buy ANYTHING they put out, and so they don't need to be too concerned with quality. It's just quantity.

Could the new generation be better than 3 and 4? Well, maybe. But like Strax, I really don't have my hopes up.

Like it had been said before, I don't have high hopes for the 5th gens either. At this point, with the 4th gen being a total disappointment for me, I'm not counting on the 5th gen to be any better. The quality of the Pokemon has obviously been compromised for the sake of re-releasing what appears to be the same game over and over again. My interest in Pokemon (with the way it is now) has dropped.

I'm not anticipating the new game, but I'll certainly be surprised if it actually turns out to be any good.

I'm just kind of surprised that they're announcing a fifth generation this soon. HeartGold and SoulSilver have been out for, what, five minutes in Japan?

It doesn't make so much sense considering HeartGold and SoulSilver, but when you consider the release dates for the original games of this generation, Diamond and Pearl... it's been four years, which is kinda standard. though I wish they'd take a little more time and make it better.

Oh wow, four years... Didn't realize that.

... God I feel like an old man. "BACK IN MA DAY THERE WERE ONLY ONE HUNDRED FIFTY ONE O' DEM POKERMANS! AND THEY DIDN'T LOOK LIKE ROBUTZ NEITHER. OH I REMEMBER THOSE GOOD OLD DA - OH GOD MY HIP"

Yeah, Becky made a good point, but to me, even Shinx is ridiculous looking when compared to the old ones.

I mean, to me, what made the franchise cool was the pokemon looked almost believable. It was a world with dozens and dozens of cute, ferocious, and cool animals that could totally be real in that world.

Now now now, calm down. I know electric mouses and gigantic rock snakes don't really exist, but they were drawn without the cartoony and completely RANDOM look that now dominates all the higher generations. Sure, they were cartoons, but at least they matched the characters in the anime and the games in terms of artistic style. If you like Pokemon now, more power to you . However, I'm saying that the franchise has DEFINITELY evolved (Pun. ha.) into something that is completely ridiculous. And in this context, ridiculous doesn't mean bad, just flamboyant really. The art style has changed COMPLETELY and they've also ran out of ideas. I mean, come on...BIDOOF? Not only is it lame looking, I could tolerate lame (Weepinbell was rather lame looking) but it doesn't even look like something that could EXIST. The eyes, the mouth, the feet, even the basic-esque coloring, its all incredibly cartoony when compared to the rest of the Pokemon universe. Whereas, if you look at a Dugtrio or something (which was one of the more whacky ones of the 155) it could at least pass for possible in the cartoon realm it inhabits. THAT is why I don't like Pokemon now.

However, like I said, the franchise has changed, and thus different people will like it. I don't HATE pokemon. I will always love pokemon. The cards, the movies, and the Cheesy ass repetitive show, because it was such a huge part of my childhood ^_^. I just hate the direction they've gone with now.

Oh, and on a side note Strax, that pre-historic island is one of the most cool and original ideas correlated with Pokemon I've heard of in a LOOONG time . You should totally call up Poke-Headquarters and pitch it. Because I hear they're in short supply of originality these days.

The idea was based mainly on what Rhino suggested, about looking into more of the prehistoric Pokemon and history of the Pokemon world. Not really my idea totally. ^__^;;

And come on, Bidoof is like... a beaver. I don't think it's ridiculous. Well... It is ridiculous, but it looks believable and it looks enough like a Pokemon.

What I'm more concerned about are the Digimon-looking Pokemon...


... and the robot-dragons.


I mean, I get that they're legendary and need to look cool, but... Jeweled, armored dragon-bots? o__O

Believe me, there are some first and second gen Pokemon that I'm not the biggest fan of, but they just seem to be in higher supply with the newer generations...
I'm not disappointed with the revealed two, but Nintendo's going to really need to pull through hard with this generation if they want to appeal to everyone in their fanbase.

Heh. I'll take Digimon-esque pokemon to Bidoof anyday. Sorry man, but that is where we part ways XD. I remember the first time you posted a picture of Bidoof. I was fail shock for a good 5 minutes.

Though I too had problems with certain Pokemon in the first two. Like Jynx and Elekid.

berate him all you like, but Blaziken is one of my favorite pokemon. ridiculous as they may be... they've added a whole new dimension to battling as far as RPing goes... allow even up to 3rd gen in an RP, and the techniques and typing gets far more varied, and I've always liked that about the games. I love to see how they can experiment with new forms of typing...

one thing I've always wanted to see is water/fire typing in a pokemon... I think it could work out really interestingly. good, solid fire types period would be appreciated after the failgasm that was the fire type in gen 4.

But I definitely see what you guys mean about the digimon-esque species and about the direction in general the series is going in... Different people like the games for different reasons, and some people would love nothing more than for there to be thousands of different species of pokemon to catch. (Not saying I'm THAT far gone or anything, but if it's done well I see no problem with continuing.)

The third generation gave me some of my favorites, as far as a "Dream Team" should I decide to drift off and imagine myself actually having pokemon. XD Blaziken, Tropius, Sableye (for typing only) are pretty nice in my opinion. The fourth added some nice aspects as well, and I was really surprised at how much I liked Snover/Abomasnow... Grass/Ice really appealed to me, despite it's utter failure against fire types. (Not like it had much to worry about, since there were like 5 fire types available in the main game, right?)

It's not that I have a problem with them making new Pokemon. I'm not sitting here like OMG EVERYTHING NEW SUCKS BECAUSE IT'S NEW. I think it's cool that they found new possibilities with the battle system And are experimenting with different types and whatnot. If they want to expand the system and improve upon it, great.

It's the poor designing of the vast majority of the Pokemon that bothers me, and yeah, the direction the series is going. It just doesn't seem like Pokemon anymore, and what they've turned Pokemon into really doesn't appeal to me.

If they could improve upon the system and experiment WHILE designing Pokemon that don't suck, then I'd be interested. If they do that for this new generation, I might be interested- but like I've said, based on previous generations I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

As for Shinx/Bidoof- no, I'm not a huge fan of their designs, especially in comparison to previous Pokemon. But those are two examples that at least do stay true to the series, and while they don't look great, they at least look like Pokemon. Bidoof is just ridiculous because, well... it's supposed to be.

And of course there will always be people who wanna catch 'em all, no matter how many, no matter how poorly designed. Nintendo knows this. They don't have to try too hard when there are so many fans who to everything they put out and call a Pokemon.