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[Spoiler]Ventus/Axel Theory

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#1 Posted 09 January 2010 - 01:16 AM

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As you can see in the above video; Ventus, Lea(Axel), and Isa(Saix) all meet. There's something I want to know. Why is it not noted in KH358/2 days and KH2 that Axel knew Ventus? And why is it just that Braig sees Xion as Ventus? Why doesn't Axel? Or does Axel and we don't know? Damn damn damn damn damn :ffff:

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#2 Posted 09 January 2010 - 01:34 AM

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I've been wondering about this since we saw that Lea and Ven interact. Axel HAS to recognize Roxas as looking like Ven, he just may not have wanted to say anything, for whatever reason. Do we ever learn what Xion looks like to Axel? I haven't finished yet. But if nothing is said specifically, then I think it's reasonable to assume that Axel does see Xion as Ven.

But what does it mean?! :chocolate:

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#3 Posted 09 January 2010 - 01:36 AM

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I always just assumed that that was the reason Axel took such a shining to Roxas... due to the resemblance, and probably direct link...

and dammit, Xion threw a wrench into everything... now I'm so damn curious!


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#4 Posted 09 January 2010 - 12:28 PM

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Well I was reading around and I'm sure you all know this, but isn't it said somewhere that Isa and Lea joined the Organization with a plan? As their nobody selves that is. Maybe it has something to do with Ventus? damn damn damn :chocolate: :despair: And as for Saix...doesn't he just see Xion as just a 'puppet'? Maybe the reason he never referred to Xion as anything more than that was because he ALSO saw Xion as Ven? Thoughts thoughts?

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#5 Posted 09 January 2010 - 12:31 PM

View Postpewpew, on Jan 9 2010, 11:28 AM, said:

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Well I was reading around and I'm sure you all know this, but isn't it said somewhere that Isa and Lea joined the Organization with a plan? As their nobody selves that is. Maybe it has something to do with Ventus? damn damn damn :chocolate: :despair: And as for Saix...doesn't he just see Xion as just a 'puppet'? Maybe the reason he never referred to Xion as anything more than that was because he ALSO saw Xion as Ven? Thoughts thoughts?

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what i've been hearing on justin tv chat is that Ven is kind of like a puppet but that wouldnt explain the deep hatred

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#6 Posted 09 January 2010 - 12:42 PM

View PostAgent Jay, on Jan 9 2010, 12:31 PM, said:

View Postpewpew, on Jan 9 2010, 11:28 AM, said:

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Well I was reading around and I'm sure you all know this, but isn't it said somewhere that Isa and Lea joined the Organization with a plan? As their nobody selves that is. Maybe it has something to do with Ventus? damn damn damn :chocolate: :despair: And as for Saix...doesn't he just see Xion as just a 'puppet'? Maybe the reason he never referred to Xion as anything more than that was because he ALSO saw Xion as Ven? Thoughts thoughts?

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what i've been hearing on justin tv chat is that Ven is kind of like a puppet but that wouldnt explain the deep hatred



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I don't think Ven would be the puppet, could be, but not quite sure. We do know now though that Sora got the keyblade because of Ven. I'd think of Vanitas as more of a puppet because...come on...black haired sora? WTF :wtf:

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#7 Posted 09 January 2010 - 01:03 PM

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I thought that the plan Lea and Isa had was to take over the Organization, but that failed when Isa now Saix started acting like a tool of Xemnas'

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#8 Posted 09 January 2010 - 01:08 PM

View Postpewpew, on Jan 9 2010, 11:42 AM, said:

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View Postpewpew, on Jan 9 2010, 11:28 AM, said:

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Well I was reading around and I'm sure you all know this, but isn't it said somewhere that Isa and Lea joined the Organization with a plan? As their nobody selves that is. Maybe it has something to do with Ventus? damn damn damn :chocolate: :despair: And as for Saix...doesn't he just see Xion as just a 'puppet'? Maybe the reason he never referred to Xion as anything more than that was because he ALSO saw Xion as Ven? Thoughts thoughts?

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what i've been hearing on justin tv chat is that Ven is kind of like a puppet but that wouldnt explain the deep hatred



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I don't think Ven would be the puppet, could be, but not quite sure. We do know now though that Sora got the keyblade because of Ven. I'd think of Vanitas as more of a puppet because...come on...black haired sora? WTF :wtf:


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#9 Posted 09 January 2010 - 01:32 PM

View PostAgent Jay, on Jan 9 2010, 01:08 PM, said:

View Postpewpew, on Jan 9 2010, 11:42 AM, said:

View PostAgent Jay, on Jan 9 2010, 12:31 PM, said:

View Postpewpew, on Jan 9 2010, 11:28 AM, said:

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Well I was reading around and I'm sure you all know this, but isn't it said somewhere that Isa and Lea joined the Organization with a plan? As their nobody selves that is. Maybe it has something to do with Ventus? damn damn damn :chocolate: :despair: And as for Saix...doesn't he just see Xion as just a 'puppet'? Maybe the reason he never referred to Xion as anything more than that was because he ALSO saw Xion as Ven? Thoughts thoughts?

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what i've been hearing on justin tv chat is that Ven is kind of like a puppet but that wouldnt explain the deep hatred



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I don't think Ven would be the puppet, could be, but not quite sure. We do know now though that Sora got the keyblade because of Ven. I'd think of Vanitas as more of a puppet because...come on...black haired sora? WTF :wtf:


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he is ven's darkness



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I know that, but why does he look like Sora?

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#10 Posted 09 January 2010 - 03:26 PM

View Postpewpew, on Jan 9 2010, 01:32 PM, said:

View PostAgent Jay, on Jan 9 2010, 01:08 PM, said:

View Postpewpew, on Jan 9 2010, 11:42 AM, said:

View PostAgent Jay, on Jan 9 2010, 12:31 PM, said:

View Postpewpew, on Jan 9 2010, 11:28 AM, said:

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Well I was reading around and I'm sure you all know this, but isn't it said somewhere that Isa and Lea joined the Organization with a plan? As their nobody selves that is. Maybe it has something to do with Ventus? damn damn damn :chocolate: :despair: And as for Saix...doesn't he just see Xion as just a 'puppet'? Maybe the reason he never referred to Xion as anything more than that was because he ALSO saw Xion as Ven? Thoughts thoughts?

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what i've been hearing on justin tv chat is that Ven is kind of like a puppet but that wouldnt explain the deep hatred



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I don't think Ven would be the puppet, could be, but not quite sure. We do know now though that Sora got the keyblade because of Ven. I'd think of Vanitas as more of a puppet because...come on...black haired sora? WTF :wtf:


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he is ven's darkness



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I know that, but why does he look like Sora?


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Because translated at the end, Ven says "We share the same soul, but we were born at different times." I don't particularly like the explanation, but there it is.

As for what you said about Axel and Saix- I think you could definitely be onto something there. I think Axel DOES know where the Chamber of Waking is, and knows where Ven's body is.

Maybe he wanted to join Roxas with Ven, instead of joining him with Sora? Becaus Roxas going back into Sora isn't making Sora whole. Roxas going into Ven, however, WOULD make Ven whole.

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#11 Posted 09 January 2010 - 03:29 PM

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So... if putting Roxas, Sora's Nobody, into sora wouldn't make him whole... what would?

or was he technically whole the entire time? I mean... he DID become a heartless, so a Nobody was born, but it was Ven's soul...

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#12 Posted 09 January 2010 - 03:37 PM

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That was something I discussed with Tristan... When Sora turned into a Nobody, the soul that left WASN'T his. This is why he retained his own soul and his own conscience. Roxas is Ven's soul, that's why he looks like him, not Sora. Sora was a whole person throughout the series... Ven is missing Roxas.

That always bothered me in KH1. It seemed like such a handwave that Sora was able to come back from being a Heartless. It makes sense now. He still had his own soul.

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#13 Posted 09 January 2010 - 03:53 PM

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About Vanitas... If anything, Vanitas is the puppet. I don't know if he really had any use, but word on the street is that Vanitas is made of Ventus's extracted darkness. Why would Ven be the puppet if he's the real person and Vanitas is not?

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#14 Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:12 PM

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Well I don't really think Sora needed Roxas to become whole. Although AtW mentions this in KH2...but AtW had to know that Xehanort was actually MX/Terra(as seen in the secret ending video). Maybe Sora is just holding Roxas' spirit in him and going to return it to Ven to revive him? I don't know that sounds kinda sketchy there, but it's all that I can think of. Unless something's going to happen with the keyblade that Sora has, the original one that is.

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#15 Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:16 PM

Well, for whatever reason, Sora needed Roxas to wake up after Chain of Memories.

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Whether that's because Roxas had pieces of Sora or because Roxas was some kind of Ventus "clone," I haven't the slightest.

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#16 Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:16 PM

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I don't think AtW does know. Braig most definitely does recognize Xehanort as Terra, but I really don't know about AtW. I really don't think AtW would have taken on Xehanort as an apprentice if he recognized him.

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#17 Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:20 PM

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Well you gotta remember that AtW is a scientist and they do a hell of a lot of experiments. Maybe, say, AtW does know. Maybe he wants to know HOW MX got into Terra's body? Because MX does release his heart yadda yadda. What I want to know is, why could MX release his heart? I thought only the keyblade that Ansem used, the one created from the Princess' heart to unlock all hearts, was the only keyblade to unlock people's hearts? Or can every keyblade do this? But yeah, Braig definitely knew it...but I wonder why he didn't say anything :despair:

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#18 Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:21 PM

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Wait, how would he recognize him? We don't know for sure if Ansem met Terra or Master Xehanort. :o

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#19 Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:23 PM

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Wait, how would he recognize him? We don't know for sure if Ansem met Terra or Master Xehanort. :o

I was going to make that same point, but I figured I just missed something.

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#20 Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:24 PM

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Well in the video Terranort and Braig are walking and talking and AtW and baby Larxene just happened to walk out. Do you think AtW could have possibly heard them? But in all honesty I don't think he could have. It's just..you know, a theory. xD

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