Ventus = Sora's DAD?

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Ventus = Sora's DAD?

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#1 Posted 29 October 2009 - 09:15 AM

Does anyone else think Ventus could be Sora's dad or something?

i know its obvious that there's a connection seeing as Roxas looks so much like him, but there's also the screenshots we've seen of Ventus standing on the same beach that Kairi stands on when she throws her message-in-a-bottle in kh2.... does he settle there maybe?

but in the secret trailer at the end of kh2 its Ventus who gets frozen and broken to bits, soooo....

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#2 Posted 29 October 2009 - 03:56 PM

I really don't think so. I mean, Roxas and Sora fought. If Ven, who looks exactly like Roxas, had been Sora's dad, I'd think there would have been some kind of recognition in that scene.

Also, I'm gonna move this to the Birth by Sleep forum.

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#3 Posted 29 October 2009 - 04:03 PM

Also, Birth by Sleep is 10 years before Kingdom Hearts.

This makes Sora about 4 at the time Ven, Terra, and Aqua are running around.
Judging from Ven's appearance at the time of Birth by Sleep, I'd say he's around 15.

This means he conceived Sora around 10 or 11. And then forgot about him. o__o;;

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#4 Posted 29 October 2009 - 04:35 PM

Idk why, but I find the fact that Ven and Roxas look identical really annoying...

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#5 Posted 29 October 2009 - 06:25 PM

All I can say is there better be a really good explanation...because it irks me too. XD

Also, Becky. now to debunk you or anything, because I agree, but it's been shown numerous times that Sora's not the sharpest tool in the shed. XD

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#6 Posted 29 October 2009 - 06:39 PM

... That is true. He is a slow one. XD

But Ven looking like Roxas doesn't bother me beyond frustration at not knowing why. When people first saw Ven in the trailer and thought it might be just that he resembled Roxas- not that he was identical- I was annoyed that they didn't come up with a new, original character design. Now I'm just really curious as to why Ven and Roxas are identical.

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#7 Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:55 AM

hmm don't know why i may be wrong but i think in the End of BBS Ven combines himself with Sora resulting in when Soras Nobody is created its alot like Ven but that's jus my guess..........

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#8 Posted 05 November 2009 - 04:02 PM

i hadn't thought of the timescale, yh. but then there must be some kind of underlying connection between them or maybe the bbs trio is chosen by something other than being good enough for the keyblades? some kind of whole 'destiny' or 'prophecy' mumbo jumbo or something to do with 'special hearts'. we already know that Sora is way different from being able to hold on to his heart as a heartless long enough to be awoken by Kairi.

for all we know sora might be Ventus' REINCARNATION or something 8|... lol, doubt it (plus the timescale thing comes into play again)

but its deffo weird...

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#9 Posted 05 November 2009 - 04:06 PM

Reincarnation of Ventus would also be highly unlikely, considering the timescale that you yourself mentioned... Sora is seen with Riku as a kid while he is still around...Ventus would have to die prior to Sora being born for him to be his reincarnation.

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#10 Posted 05 November 2009 - 04:43 PM

I was wondering about the whole "chosen" thing myself. In the first KH game, the Keyblade was presented as an object that chooses one person to wield it based on the strength of their heart. In the second, there were several Keyblades going around, but it was still presented as an object that chooses its own master.

From what we've seen of BbS, all that seems a bit contradictory, in my opinion. Terra (and possibly Aqua?) are about to take their Master Test- it's confirmed that Ven doesn't yet have the skills to take the test. So in BbS, it seems as though when a master takes on apprentices, the apprentices can "earn" their mastership. So at what point does the Keyblade go from something you can train to earn to a weapon that can choose its master, and why?

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#11 Posted 05 November 2009 - 04:56 PM

I always figured that the keyblade chooses its master, and those that were chosen were taken on as apprentices. Don't you think maybe Terra and Aqua (and Ven) could have been chosen, then taken on as apprentices?

Or am i forgetting some crucial plot detail here? Do they have keyblades when they are apprentices, before they take the test?

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#12 Posted 05 November 2009 - 05:11 PM

Yes, they do. All three of them do have Keyblades, and having the Keyblade doesn't automatically make you a master. We don't know much about the test or when they take it, but we do know that Ven is not qualified to take it, so they must have Keyblades before taking the test.

I guess it could make sense that the Keyblade chooses them and then they're taken on as apprentices, but it still doesn't explain why Keyblades used to be fairly common (there are what, seven known Keybearers in BbS?), but not so much anymore in the days of KH/KH2.

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#13 Posted 05 November 2009 - 05:29 PM

other than the fact that it's likely that most of the keybearers are either dead or out of commission in some other way during the events of KH1-2, I'd say that perhaps the keyblades choose wielders in times of great trouble, such as during the "Keyblade War" and as seems to be happening towards the end of KHII. It seems to me that between BBS and KHI, there was a gap of relatively peaceful time.

Gah, I just can't wait to find out all this, it's really annoying me that we cant figure this out. -_-

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#14 Posted 08 November 2009 - 09:24 AM

let's not forget King Triton's reaction to the keyblade in kh1, i assume that he experienced the keyblade wars in some way or another (not sure how due to his lack of human legs) perhaps the weilders visited him just as Sora +friends did and bad things happened, maybe Ventus caused them accidentally - being still a student - or maybe Xehaort and his band of buddies caused something troublesome.

anyway, sorry, going off at a tangent; bad things happened, the weilders all but died out and the either keyblades seemed to disappear OR simply remained in the barren landscape where we see the cross-road - which looks pretty empty to me, i doubt any non-keyblade wielders or anyone without the ability to travel between worlds would find out about it themselves and king Mickey is very good at keeping secrets when he's not being pressured about them. nobody hears about them for a decade, the heartless start acting up and Sora - a strong and worthy heart of the keyblade - stands up to battle the darkness and the keyblade - the power inside of him - reveals itself once again to protect the light.....

do you think ive got that about right so far? say if you find an error in my theories

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#15 Posted 19 December 2009 - 06:17 PM

Y'know there is one major Flaw in the Xehanort= Terra theory. If you were to read through the Secret Ansem Reports you'd have read that he found Xehanort a couple years before his research meaning that we're going to see Xehanort as an apprentice.

As for Ventus I think he's part of the Kingdom key. I'll post a thread about it

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#16 Posted 22 December 2009 - 02:05 AM

Miss Ninja, on Nov 5 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

I was wondering about the whole "chosen" thing myself. In the first KH game, the Keyblade was presented as an object that chooses one person to wield it based on the strength of their heart. In the second, there were several Keyblades going around, but it was still presented as an object that chooses its own master.

From what we've seen of BbS, all that seems a bit contradictory, in my opinion. Terra (and possibly Aqua?) are about to take their Master Test- it's confirmed that Ven doesn't yet have the skills to take the test. So in BbS, it seems as though when a master takes on apprentices, the apprentices can "earn" their mastership. So at what point does the Keyblade go from something you can train to earn to a weapon that can choose its master, and why?

I'll wager a guess. Let's look at the events before BBS. We don't know much. We know that Master Xehanort has traveled a long way to watch the examination take place. We know that him and Master Erauqs are friends. We also know that by this point, the Keyblade War is over. So let's throw in that the Keyblade still does have a mind of its own. Perhaps the exam that Terra and Aqua are taking is a reprecussion of *possibly* so many KeyBearers abusing the power they were granted. This would explain why in KH1, when Riku gives into the darkness, control of the Keyblade then shifts to Sora. To reinforce that, we know that in BBS Terra says "I don't care about being a master" and I believe this takes place after he has begun to succumb to the darkness. Master Xehanort says you can't be a master and have the powers of darkness. While this does not explain how Vanitas and MX can use Keys, it's the only solid theory I can form based on all the information.

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#17 Posted 22 December 2009 - 10:02 AM

ShadowSephiroth, on Dec 22 2009, 01:05 AM, said:

Miss Ninja, on Nov 5 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

I was wondering about the whole "chosen" thing myself. In the first KH game, the Keyblade was presented as an object that chooses one person to wield it based on the strength of their heart. In the second, there were several Keyblades going around, but it was still presented as an object that chooses its own master.

From what we've seen of BbS, all that seems a bit contradictory, in my opinion. Terra (and possibly Aqua?) are about to take their Master Test- it's confirmed that Ven doesn't yet have the skills to take the test. So in BbS, it seems as though when a master takes on apprentices, the apprentices can "earn" their mastership. So at what point does the Keyblade go from something you can train to earn to a weapon that can choose its master, and why?

The reason why is because they probably exist in Twilight and not in darkness. It's the only way they could from what i'm thinking

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#18 Posted 23 December 2009 - 08:44 PM

I'm not so sure about that. Roxas was a Nobody in twilight, but because he was the nobody of a keyblade master, I'm sure that's why he could use a Keyblade.

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#19 Posted 26 December 2009 - 04:34 PM

ShadowSephiroth, on Dec 23 2009, 07:44 PM, said:

I'm not so sure about that. Roxas was a Nobody in twilight, but because he was the nobody of a keyblade master, I'm sure that's why he could use a Keyblade.

he could use the keybladde because he is Sora's nobody same for Xion but in the other connection